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PostSubject: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:12 pm

In the past we made a mutual protection pact featured, here. Since Uatia LEFT the VW this MPP has been rendered null and void. I now would like to propose a formal alliance. Dragnoxz, The details can be discussed later but for now I need to know your opinion on such a topic.

It would only make sense for you to accept such an offer considering GPEO and Uatia are in cahoots with each other while GPEO members have dual citizenship with Uatia. Our factions have never been so close in all of it's history. Let us permanently lock our friendship into place and stand up in the world as a unified force!
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:13 pm

I Ghost Eye Formally Support this Alliance. As it is an alliance that will help both VM Prosper

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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:38 pm

I personally think that this alliance is one that can not be let down, I recommend this move by the GPEO/Pyrenia.

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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:51 am

Try to remember that GPEO is withdrawing and has a different mission in the VR-World once it is re-established and reformed. Pyneria is a new movement, and is not GPEO. Pyneria will be made up of a good number of GPEO from the start, and will develop into a formal nation with the same political views as GPEO has.

GPEO and Pyneria are two separate groups. GPEO is not in a position for a conflict or war at the moment. Pyneria is not even developed enough to be considered a faction yet. It is just a small cell that is forming.

If GPEO and Uatia became committed in such pact, it would be called upon to assist the GPEO in the Pacific, to help protect the transport ships from attacks by pirates.

Uatia and GPEO protection pact being made then one of the factions attacking just forces the other faction to declare war. GPEO has never declared war, and it will NOT declare war. It might be willing to sign a similar agreement to where if Uatia is attacked, GPEO would operate in Uatian territory to assist in its defense so Uatia can focus on offense. And, the flipped side would be the GPEO getting attacked and Uatia focusing on offense while GPEO continues to defend.

GPEO = Withdraw and is logically not ready for mainstream political activity.

Pyneria = Small developing cell, undergoing planning for uprisings.

There is a difference between a mutual attack and mutual defense treaty.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:22 am

I would like to say that my opinion is to get some assistance from Uatia. I think there is no person more trustworthy than MC, since we both know him for a long time. As he told me, we are in a situation where all help is welcome. Especially Uatia. I support the alliance between Uatia and GPEO.

However, I leave it up to Dragnoxz to decide if it will be a defensive or offensive treaty.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:10 pm

GPEO used to be a super power! Uatia has always been a 3rd world country in terms of manpower and technology. Now GPEO has lost it's super power status and has now lowered it's status to a 2nd world country. Uatia's technology and man power has improved and has risen to be a 2nd world country as well. If we banded together, our combined forces would be equivalent to that of a super power. Let us make this a reality and see how it plays out.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:26 pm

Then, lets form a Union State in which USEA, UDACOM, UIA, GPEO, Pyneria, Uatia, Aurora, ISC, IMC, and Umbrella all merge into a single International Community.

Pyneria = Political Ideology or Party/Movement
GPEO = Air Force
Uatia = Army - Land Force
UIA = Intelligence
UDACOM = Defense and Observation
Aurora = Aerospace Tech
ISC = Shipping
IMC = Manufacturing
USEA = Space Exploration
Umbrella = Pharmaceutical and Health Care

All we need is Agriculture, Oil, and Civil Engineering as well as Energy Production industries. Industrial, Militaristic combined with Cultural and Expansionist.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:50 pm

There is a few problems with that. Uatia has it's own political ideologies. Uatia has it's own air force and it's own land force. Uatia doesn't need intel and it has it's own observation. Uatia has it's own technology research programs. However, Uatia does NOT have any navy for shipping or a navy for anything period. (You got me there) Uatia has a small industrial force that is capable of keeping up with it's demands. We do NOT have a space program (LOL) but at this stage in our development we don't need one. Uatia imports all of it's pharmaceutical drugs and has free healthcare.

Bottom line is we technically don't need each other in terms of domestic sectors and programs. The only thing we need each other for is manpower. Divided into two nations/factions our numbers are small compared to others in the VW but if we band together we will have the numbers we need to stand up to anyone we want to stand up to!
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:39 pm

The problem is that GPEO and Uatian members are in the same group doing duel citizenship, which I don't mind. However, if GPEO members and Uatian members were to chose which to remain permanently of, it would remain a problem and could divide us more. Many Uatian members are or were WCF and GPEO as well.

An alliance and mutual defense agreement is more logical, and agreeable. A merging might cause internal issues. Trade agreements would be very good for our groups.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:06 pm

I will PROBABLY never merge with another group. I built Uatia. It's been around for a few years. You built GPEO, GPEO has been around for a few years more. I like that independent status. I'm sure you do too. That's why this alliance is bad ass cause we get to keep our independence and work with each other with strong ties at the same time.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:28 pm

What happened to the last official agreement ?
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:51 pm

Uatia left the VW. Therefor, it basically ceased to exist. That one was outdated and obsolete anyways. We weren't as close back then as we are now.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:20 am

Yo, GPEO is not in a position to agree at this time. GPEO is undergoing a withdraw, as you know, and I am in school, working and only able to reply and communicate on the forum. I am not even able to get in the air these days, only limited during times I am at home, and that is if I am at home and not at the dorm. Dorm blocks gaming of all kinds. I don't mind helping with pilots, but Raz is only active fighter, and $nake is also busy like me. Adrian is in Uatia, I guess, so you have an AWACS. GPEO is not as it once was. If I had more time to recruit, train pilots and form units, GPEO would be a worthy force to ally, but not these times. GPEO is withdrawing, and we thank the help of Uatia as well as contracted pilots for assisting. Even if we allied, I am not sure if we could stand a chance against another force for long. I would have to hire mercenaries, lol.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:46 am

Dragnoxz' wrote:
Even if we allied, I am not sure if we could stand a chance against another force for long. I would have to hire mercenaries, lol.

Then if we are apart then GPEO doesn't EVEN stand a chance against an enemy.

It has come to my attention that GPEO is not as close as I thought it was.
This was a historical proposal and you turned it down.
I am publicly denouncing your decision to reject my offer. You can officially say that Uatia's relations with GPEO have declined. Uatia is insulted. We will remember this for a long time.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:32 pm

Dragn,
The GPEO right now has very few active members, as you stated, this results in problems regarding this. If you decline this offer the GPEO will be in a struggling position with offer. The Uatia has many more active members and even more inactive members that can be awakened at the moment. This can be advantageous
to the GPEO. The only reason that this pact would become a disadvantage is if the Uatia was to declare war. Tecumseh once said " a twig well break, but a bundle of twigs are strong". In the end It comes down to you, I can only urge what I feel should be done.

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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:35 am

I, Mongoose, Believe I speak for all of Uatia when i say, that I feel this has been a major setback between Uatian people and the people of GPEO.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:06 pm

The alliance proposal is officially null and void. Uatia will not forget this.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:48 pm

I apologies. But, GPEO is in no position to accept at these times. GPEO as stated before is an organization, not a nation. I apologies if there as an illusion in the past, but in reality, GPEO only occupied or based out of regions. Now that I think of it, GPEO never really owned land in the first place, and it is my own flawed leadership that had it run as a nation, rather than an organization with a CEO and Owner. If I were to form a nation, I would ally on sight. You have brought to my attention a flaw of mine that I must accept, and deal with.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:44 pm

I have nothing more to say.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:36 pm

I hereby OFFICIALLY denounce GPEO for it's decision to reject our offer of kindness and respect. I officially urge GPEO to merge into Uatia as our inferiors. I offer you this final gift of tolerance as a Christmas present. I advise you NOT to reject my offer or I just might have to take action!
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:48 am

I respectfully declined and pointed out the logical reasons behind such decision. It is not GPEO who is being disrespectful by declining such proposal, it is a sensible decision. GPEO is an Organization, not a nation. GPEO is independent and shall remain independent. I feel disappointed that you, my friend, would look at GPEO as an inferior, rather than an equal. And am insulted that you would even think about having GPEO submit as an inferior. A friend, an inferior ? Why would you want to ally with an inferior other than to show dominance over that ally ? What kind of ally would be so disrespectful toward another ally ? At least the choice I made was in respect toward the Uatian image to not hinder it due to my lack of activity ability for personal reasons, school, work, etc. I feel pressured that I have to chose GPEO or school, and I will not be pressured, I will keep GPEO and my education as well. I worked hard to make GPEO, and so did many others who put their time aside to build up GPEO. It is like a SLAP in the face to want me to submit as a inferior, like some BITCH to be pushed around. How would you feel if someone you think considered you a friend and long time ally demand your entire force to be ruled under them as an inferior ? May GPEO and its friends speak up on this as well. GPEO stands for freedom and humanity, and to submit to another, is an insult to its existence. It defeats the purpose of its existence and cause. To be denounced and demanded to submit under as an inferior over a decline is an overreaction and an immature response to a genuine friends free choice. Are you willing to sacrifice such valuable bond over a brief moment that you call a GPEO rejection of mutual protection ? If Uatia is in a position that it can attack, then why would it need GPEO to protect it after it attacks ? My choice to decline such treaty was a good one based on Uatian mentality of being an offensive force. I bet that if GPEO did sign it Uatia would attack another force, in which GPEO would be FORCED to declare war on another force, which is against GPEO code. This makes me think you would PURPOSELY manipulate GPEO into declaring war on another force for no reason, other than for personal satisfaction of being able to manipulate another force. GPEO does NOT declare war on the fly like Uatia. The ONLY way it would declare a war is if it has proper and logical grounds to. In the case of signing a treaty that makes for grounds that if the ally attacks another to where GPEO must declare war, is grounds for rejection. I hope the rest of GPEO understands why I chose NOT to sign such treaty now. GPEO maintains a code, no matter how powerful or weak it is, it is one of honor.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:51 am

The only code you'll be maintaining is the Uatian code as soon as I CRUSH YOU!
To reject any proposal of Uatia is one of the highest insults you can dish out. We are your superiors and you should recognize that as the truth. GPEO will be allowed freedom to operate however it wants as soon as it is under Uatian control. (which will be soon). I seek not to attack my friends and to conquer them but rather to do what is necessary to make them better off. If you remembered the initial proposal of this alliance, it said:

MC Sics wrote:
Dragnoxz, The details can be discussed later but for now I need to know your opinion on such a topic.

We could have made it to where GPEO didn't have to attack anyone upon Uatia declaring war on anyone. But you have failed to see that. So now I must punish you.

We will honor the holidays with peace and give you until 2013 to prepare yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:45 pm

We do not declare war on the fly, however a defensive treaty would have been more along our agreement level, just like the one we had before. In the event an enemy attacked one of us, we would respond. We would not sign something that would jeopardize the GPEO code. GPEO will not be under another, it would work WITH another.

There is no way GPEO will submit as an inferior, or be under the control of another, it must remain independent. The only way it could work would be to work together, and re-negotiate such treaty that works for both sides, and not be a one sided treaty.

I would re-negotiate a treaty to where we both benefit. As in, if Uatia attacks, GPEO still would not need to declare war, however would be there to defend Uatian areas if Uatia came directly under attack. And the same would apply for if GPEO was attacked.

But, if you are willing to attack a friend over a GPEO decline of a treaty out of a misunderstanding, that is your call. We can be allies out of a re-negotiation of treaty, or you can chose to attack a would be ally, and we both be destroyed. And internationally, out true enemies will take advantage of our situation, further defeating us while we weaken ourselves.

You once stated that if TNF did not attack GPEO, both sides would be much greater. When friends fight, it makes them weaker against their true enemies. You know GPEO is not a true enemy of Uatia, and that we are friends. Are you willing to bring upon the destruction of us both, or re-negotiate that original treaty to where we both benefit ?
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:04 pm

It is too late. Uatia has not forgotten your disgrace and we probably never will forget. With that said, under no circumstances will Uatia negotiate ANYTHING with GPEO. Not unless you are willing to submit. Which you are not, therefor we must assert our authority!
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PostSubject: Re: GPEO/Uatia Alliance   Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:37 pm

We do NOT submit to authority, we are anti-authoritarian. We will not be labeled or work as an inferior. you should acknowledge that GPEO is a Conglomerate of many companies, ranging from industries of production and manufacturing, to aerospace technology and energy. As well as research and development in the many fields of science. GPEO has its own Fighter Unit as well as several aircraft being transported to fields to be put into mothball fleet, as well as a very large naval force.

GPEO will not submit under another, however would be able to help another group form into a major power, should its independence be recognized as well as its freedom and code of honor. We propose a counter negotiation to form a corporate establishment inside the Uatian system, rather than submit as an inferior. Think of GPEO as a major Conglomerate with GE, Bowing, GM, Northrup, and other industries combined. but in the case of GPEO it is USEA (Space Exploration and Aerospace Research and Development), UIA (Intelligence), IMC (Aerospace Manufacturing), ISC (Ship Building), as well as other sectors.

We do ask, however; what about the Pynerian Movement, and its future ? The GPEO must be independent to support whomever it wants to also. If anything, GPEO would be setting up a new branch in Uatian areas for Uatian Production, as a form of GPEO Conglomerate expansion in the SE-Asian Realm. We are an Expansionist and Industrious group, as you know. We also have a small air defense force and 6 Army Units spread out, as well as a very large navy that could be re-divided to where parts of it could be formed into make a new Uatian lead Naval Task Force group. You could think of it as a merging of powers. While Uatia attacks its foes, the various industries could be producing tanks, ships, aircraft and ammo for Uatian forces to fight in other lands. And the special air units of GPEO could be used for special forces, as well as the SPOND Unit, for various infiltration missions. Things could work. However, since you are so dead aimed at conquering us, and or enslaving us as an inferior, we may have to use its industry to defend itself. It is your choice.
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